Jun 18, 2006

Cocktails For Kids - Depleted Uranium (Part 2)

Another war in Iran is perhaps imminent. Scientists and others are expressing concern that the side-effects of (DU) depleted uranium munitions - still a major part of the U.S. arsenal - is responsible for serious illness and deaths to a new generation of U.S. soldiers and civilians.

Doug Rokke, (see his 37 minute lecture!) U.S. Army contractor who headed a clean-up of depleted uranium after the first Gulf War states:,
"Depleted uranium is a crime against God and humanity."
Rokke's own crew, a hundred employees, was devastated by exposure to the fine dust. He stated:
"When we went to the Gulf, we were all really healthy,"
After performing clean-up operations in the desert (mistakenly without protective gear), 30 members of his staff died, and most others"including Rokke himself"developed serious health problems. Rokke now has reactive airway disease, neurological damage, cataracts, and kidney problems.
"We warned the Department of Defense in 1991 after the Gulf War. Their arrogance is beyond comprehension. Yet the D.O.D still insists such ingestion is "not sufficient to make troops seriously ill in most cases."
Because conditions are so chaotic in Iraq, the medical infrastructure has been greatly compromised. In terms of both cancer and birth defects due to DU, only a small fraction of the cases are being reported.

Doctors in southern Iraq are making comparisons to the birth defects that followed the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII. They have numerous photos of infants born without brains, with their internal organs outside their bodies, without sexual organs, without spines, and the list of deformities goes on an on. Such birth defects were extremely rare in Iraq prior to the large scale use of DU weapons. Now they are commonplace. In hospitals across Iraq, the mothers are no longer asking, "Doctor, is it a boy or girl?" but rather, "Doctor, is it normal?"

The following are links to media files featuring Dr. Doug Rokke:
1 Dr. Doug Rokke (37-minute, 18MB Real Player) Excellent presentation!
2 Dr. Doug Rokke Speaking in Los Altos, CA 21apr03 (71-minute, 8 MB MP3 file)

When a DU round or bomb strikes a hard target, most of its kinetic energy is converted to heat " sufficient heat to ignite the DU. From 40% to 70% of the DU is converted to extremely fine dust particles of ceramic uranium oxide (primarily dioxide, though other formulations also occur). Over 60% of these particles are smaller than 5 microns in diameter, about the same size as the cigarette ash particles in cigarette smoke and therefore respirable.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

funny blog :)
and about us gov
world don't about us nuclear,
is the reason for irak or iran now
just money,oil's and hates's.

popularz said...

the reason not nuclear or terroris, THE BIG REASON Is money,oil's and hates's.
dont to much read news papers or tv something there's is for the bad can be the right thinks, come visited to iraq or iran :)
where oil iraq running out?, whos the pay iraq war people of iraq? poor iraq

M1 said...

Let me guess. You're not white. Am I getting warm?

Anonymous said...

WTF???

M1 said...

Not white...as in we only attack people of color (check the post WW2 track record) and this poster sounds as if she/he were person under our seige...
Comprende?

steve said...

I just left a comment about the "67%" statistic on a later post, referencing this url:

http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

I'd missed this Rokke post from a few days back. Turns out that that url also has an interesting review of a lecture by Rokke.

I find most evidence for DU risks pretty unassailable. But that doesn't guarantee that all evidence against DU is equally credible. There is so much at stake on both sides of this argument that it's understandable that misinformation gets out, both accidentally and on purpose.

This stuff is so important that I think as much care as possible must be taken to check out our sources.

And who can we believe? It is a constant puzzle. Accumulation of data and cross checking, combined with some sort of common sense and logic, is all we really can trust.

By the way, I love your blog, and now check it nearly every day.

M1 said...

I find most evidence for DU risks pretty unassailable. But that doesn't guarantee that all evidence against DU is equally credible

Gotch'ya Steve. I left a comment for you a few moments ago at another post - a comment that bears some relevance to this your latest statement. Yes I agree, even as much as whole heartedly so. The 67% heads up was a good one and is now taken at face value given this your contextualization. I have yet however to mozy my azz along to check out the crumb trail myself but I'll correct the errant posts as soon as I've checked your Laura Flanders story.

steve said...

Meatball, do you find yourself in the same situation I do?

I read this stuff every day. Sometimes too much of every day. It begins to look like every stinking official story is wrong. I sometimes think if Bush came out and advocated breathing I'd immediately start holding my breath.

The 911 thing is rotten to the core. I haven't decided whether Usama (now called Osama) is 1) long since dead, 2) a misunderstood patriot who just wants those darned US military out of his holy land, 2) a verifiable nutcase, or 3) basking in the sun, drinking piƱa coladas, collecting his CIA retirement, and generally laughing his head off on some tropical island.

Are there actually any US politicians who haven't been bought and sold and also have a chance in hell of getting a fair hearing in the media?

Are vitamins really totally unnecessary? Do they help me out, or do I indeed have the most expensive urine around?

Is there one tiny chance in a zillion that BushCo is actually right, that people are just stupid suckers to be played and taken for all they're worth—get it while we can, and to heck with all those unfortunates who aren't lucky like we are? Might makes right, treaties are for suckers, rule of law really means rule by bullies? Man, can that really be right, can it?

I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest with that DU stuff. It's just that I get disappointed so often by stuff that I put time and energy into that blows up in my face. Do I have to give money to Democrats so I can see another Kerry concede before the votes are all counted? Again?? Do I have to vote for Feinstein again, just so I can watch her vote for the next Hayden? Again?? This is getting old.

Is there really a future for logic and reason? One look at the news and I really doubt it.

I'm feeling grim lately. Have you ever heard "Guns and Butter"? It's a show on Pacifica's KPFA. They have interviews with folk who honestly have the most outrageous things to say about everything the US government has ever told us. I'm inclined to swallow the stuff if it sounds reasonable. But I don't want to be taken for a sucker myself. I try to check things out as much as possible. But at some point I find myself taking a leap of faith and saying to myself, screw it, this stuff sounds like the real thing. Maybe it's not. I may never know.

I know I'm rambling. Sorry.

Thanks for taking my critique seriously. We're on the same side.

M1 said...

Is there one tiny chance in a zillion that BushCo is actually right, that people are just stupid suckers to be played and taken for all they're worth—get it while we can, and to heck with all those unfortunates who aren't lucky like we are?

All I can say to that is that he's right if you wanna say he's right, and vice versa.

But maybe your question is not as relevant as asking if people enabled by the power of presiding over our enormous pools of tax revenue and collective services have the right to expropriate them for their own schizoidal or greedy agendas and invest such funds to shroud their skullduggery behind veils of crime-serving secrecy.

Hell, who wouldn't appear stupid faced with the obfuscating power our tax money can provide throned deceivers.

Thieves oft laugh among themselves about how gullible their targets were. Fuck the thieves and take 'em down if you get the chance, I say.
(Book of Meatballs 98:12)

Stupid ain't the trusting man that's been conned. Stupid is the thief that can't get the "Fool me once..." phrase down pat before a national audience.

And all I know is that the throned childking is a whore and a fuck up and I wouldn't spring for a dime if he needed one to call for an ambulance after running over my favorite cousin.

And btw, I think I'm going to post your comment with pornofied trappings on SMC's main page. It captures well a sentiment probably oft felt by many an adamant seeker of bottom lines and morsels of veracity. I know it found resonance with my meatball.

And hey, hornet's nests are where the bloggity action is. We dig the flurries and whenever there is an error residing alongside a corrective certainty in the wings then wrong should give way to right and say "Thanks". Non?

Thanks for double checking.

steve said...

hey, MB-

There is yet another complicating variable in the equation.

I know someone who spent his Vietnam years floating around North Vietnam in a two man sub, doing he won't say what, the absolute picture of health. He's been fighting leukemia and a host of complications for the last decade.

Sure, DU is now a likely factor. But what else are these guys exposed to?

This guy I know was shot up with every form of vaccine known to the military at the time. Considering where he hung out, possibly any number of anti-interrogation drugs as well. The Navy only knows what they shot guys up with in Vietnam.

Nowadays the count and the amount are probably multiplied. Vaccines against "possible" bacteria weapons, "possible" gas weapons: in short, antidotes against all the crap we've probably accumulated in our Black Programs. And most of this stuff has most likely never been tested on humans over any sort of long term.

At this point, who knows what symptoms might be attributed to what?

M1 said...

Great anecdote. And a bit of mystery at that.

I have a buddy I carry slung over my shoulders a batting average of 2 clicks after recurring nights of civilized driinking in Eurodisneyland. He AWOL'ed out of Viet Nam and hung out in the jungles of Laos. One night he was outta the jungle for supplies and walking though the alleys of Vientienne and saw the 1st moonlanding on a black n white TV facing out into his alley of his meanderings. He's still healthy and happy and looks like he's a somewhat aged 35 year old.

No doubt shit a plenty is coursing through the aging veins of Vets. So let's have the deep pocketed DU lovers conduct/finance a few longitudinal studies on the spent DU issue at hand and release their findings and methodologies for peer review. Such simple studies would cost dick given almost any perspective of relativeness, though certain findings would probably carry with them expensive ramifications. But what the f*ck, we support our soldiers, right? I mean hey, metaphysics sucks when better tools abound.

Where are those publicly available studies? Can you shake up a list for me of sef-professed soldier loving instigators of tax financed DU research?

steve said...

Here's the DU Library, courtesy of the Department of Defense:
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/

Ok, here's a list of some official studies.
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/health.shtml

But there seems to be a common thread amongst the few that I just checked out.

Mostly they are theoretical.i.e., This is what typical DU particle concentrations should be, this is how much we think is safe, this amount shouldn't cause any problem, there should be no difference between the exposure to DU and the exposure to Uranuim on the environment, which is on the order of 4 tons per square mile of ground, one foot deep.

Lots of "should" and not much "does."

More here:
http://www.deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/what.shtml

WTO page here:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/index.html